hmm... ob stikkbmbas zu heavy werden glaub ich mal net... nicht nur das Waaagh n ticken teuerer wird, auch die ausrüstung der moschas und allein schon stikkis werden nen ticken teurer. Heisst schonmal im ersten zusammentreffen gegen orks is nix mit Waaagh angriff...
Ich bin kein Ork spieler aber ich glaube die Waaagh-Ressource war das geringste Problem eines Orkspielers davon hat der bestimmt genug, da glaube ich kaum das 10 Waghpunkte mehr oder weniger n Unterschied machen.
Ja cause, weniger Health 89 HP mit Upgrade und mehr kosten.
Ich kann mich ja auch richtig böse irren und Shootie Nid will roxor da woald ... aber ich kanns mir ehrlich gesagt nicht wirklich vorstellen.
€: schlechter vergleich da oben, termas baut man nicht um gus zu kontern, dafür gibts hormas
Richtig Termas baut man nämlich um garnichts zu kontern 
Ich wollte nur mal ne Einheit nehmen die ungefähr gleich ist ... das einzige was du mit Termas atm abknallen kannst sind Scouts. So ... und was schlechteres im RC als Scouts gibtz net, was bleibt ? Tacs, Shootas und GUs (zumindest auf T1). Ich denke da ist ein GU/Terma vergleich immer noch am besten ... ich hätte auch n Terma/Tac vergleich machen können aber das wär einfach lächerlich gewesen.
Ich finde GUs und Termas sind sich ziemlich ähnlich deshalb habe ich die verglichen.
Das stimmt, das gilt für nur ein modell
Scouts = 39 Grundschaden
Termas ohne Upgrade = 70
Mit Upgrade = 102
Tac mit Bolter = 75
Das sieht auf den ersten Blick nach ner riesen Menge aus, aber da Termas verdammt wenig HP haben 81 pro Modell mit Upgrade sinds dann 89 HP, also alle 2 Sekunden stirbt ein Modell.
Man hat dann das gleiche Prob wie bei den GUs, sollange se voll sind machen se ordentlichen Schaden, sobald auch nur 1-2 Modelle sterben sinkt die DPS ins bodenlose.
Ich gehe mal davon aus dass des Terma Upgrade weiterhin 50/15 kosten wird weil sonst nix anders erwähnt wurde.
Terma mit Upgrade = 320/15 - mit 89HP
GU = 300 - mit 100 HP
Beide machen hier ungefähr gleich viel Schaden, aber für den Niden lohnt es sich net wirklich da er viel viel mehr Geld in seine Termas reinstecken muss und sogar noch weniger HP hat.
Ich hoffe du kannst nachvollziehen warum Termas unterm Strich nutzlos sind.
Das einzige was uns n bischel rettet wenn wir vielleicht unupgegradetete Termas spammen, vielleicht funzt das ... aber das hat ja schon im aktuellen Patch nix gebracht.
Ja, meine einzige hgoffnung ist, dass die stunnades so stark streuen, dass sie auf max range garnichts mehr treffen. ist aber totzdem hart.
Aber mal ne andere frage:
haben die sich bei den Termaganten vertippt?
-Termagants’ devourer damage has increased from 7.65 to 8.88,8dps?
Ah ne seh grad, die 7,65 stehen derzeitig bei damadge health. Was bedeutet dieser wert?
Im Grunde kann mans vergessen was da steht.
Laut DoW Codex macht der Scout ein Grundschaden von 13
Termas machen jetzt 8,8 ... WOW .... mit Uprade vielleicht 12 ... sprich sind bleiben useless.
Zum Vergleich GUs machen 15 Grundschaden.
Jetzt muss man bei allen Zahlen noch die Rüstungswerte abziehen. Bei Heavy Inf. sind es 35% die man abziehen muss. Wieviel es bei Inf ist weiß ich net ... liegt aber bestimmt bei 10 % oda so.
Sticks werden die absolute overkill unit. Aus nem ganz einfachen Grund:
Stungranaten betreffen auch retreatende Units, da die Stunnades explodieren wenn sie aufm Boden kommen, kann man sich ausrechnen wieviel Skill man braucht um retreatende Units damit zu treffen, vorallem da die scheiß dinger ne riesen Reichweite haben. Gestunnte Units im retreatmodus sind ein gefundenes fressen für Moschas ... na viel spaß
Jungs dann kann man halt nicht mehr nur hormas spielen OMG ....
Bisl unit mixing angesagt ; ) ??
Und totgenerfd sind hormas wohl eher nicht
Hormas und Minen waren die einzigen Units die man spielen konnte auf T1. Ist genauso wie bei Eldar 1.3 gewesen, die Leute haben GUs nicht gespammt weil sie so uber waren, sondern weil es KEINE Alternativen gab.
Genauso wie Hormas, ich würde auch gern n paar Termas oder Kriegerbruten bauen, aber das Kostenleistungsverhältniss stimmt vorne und hinten nicht. Und 10 % das bedeutet vanilla Hormas haben ! 600 HP ! jetzt nur noch 25% fire resistance bedeutet dass man genausogut versuchen kann mit Guardians in den CC zu kommen. Das funzt nicht.
Ist nur zu hoffen dass die Hormas duch das Glant upgrade wenigstens ordentlich gebuffed werden, denn dafür fehlen die zahlen ja.
edit: Gegen SMs, Eldar und Niden wird es wohl weiterhin spielbar sein, aber was ich jetzt gegen Orks tun soll is mir n Rätsel.
Da die jetzt mehr Leben haben dauerst vielleicht 3 Sekunden
Das bedeutet wohl das Hormas net mehr sooft umgeschmissen werden. Aber da Sluggas 10 Punkte mehr haben (ich glaube Shees auch), und die mit Waagh nochmal kräftig abgehen .... tja ... vielleicht hilft Termaspamm jetzt ?!
Wenigstens haben se se billiger gemacht, so kann man vielleicht 4 von denen spielen.
EDIT: Ich befürchte Sporenminen werden jetzt sehr ungefährlich. Wenn die Stunexplosion jetzt durch den Tod weg ist ... und Minen so wie ich das verstehe im CC zusammen geschlagen werden können. Ja überleg mal wie lange eine Sporenmine mit 125 Health gg 6 Sluggas die 25 damage machen aushält, bis sie explodieren kann.
In team games werden zoan mass alles ownen^^
signed
Aber einfach nur traurig dass Relic nur da was geändert hat, die anderen Units werden weiterhin scheiße bleiben. Okay Plasma SMs werden nicht mehr ganz so krass sein wie vorher aber immer noch n gutes Stück stark.
Ich hätte mich sehr über einen Lictor Buff auf T3 gefreut.
Weiß jemand zufällig in wie weit der "Melee Skill" sich auswirkt? Da haben die Hormas 10 Punkte mehr ... sind zwar immer noch 10 Punkte schwäche als Moschas aber gut ... ne Ahnung wie stark sich das auswirkt ?
Edit: Aber Relic hätte echt mal den Bug mit dem Guardgranatensymbol fixen sollen, ich verlier da jedes 2. Game fast nen ganzen Squad Guards weil ich denk ich kann Nades werfen und freu mich schon auf die Moschas und Ganten die sich zusammenpulken, aber dann kommt die Nade einfach net...:(
Vielleicht ein hidden Change ?
barbled strangler weniger reichweite?
naja die laufen ja eh immer in den cc^^
oder habe ich den bugfix dazu überlesen?
Da steht nix von dem Bufix, ist vielleicht aber auch ein hidden Change.
Wie vor n paar Wochen schon gesagt wurde.
"Wetten dass Relic Hormas nerfed und sich denkt "Now Nids are fine"" ... ja im grunde is das jetzt passiert.
Ich raff net so ganz wie man orks nochmal buffen kann, die sind in dem Patch richtig stark gewesen.
Gott sei dank haben die Eldar endlich mal wieder n Buff Patch erwischt, wurden ja sonst eher nur generfed.
Display MoreThe Kommando’s Luv Da Dakka ability no longer takes them out of infiltrate when used
und was zur hölle mit stickbombaz?
rofl????
gehts noch?
bin ich zu blöd oder wird ork uber uber uber???
signed
In meinen Augen n ziemlicher nerf.
Hormaganten sind jetzt fast useless, denn NOCH WENIGER HP OMG!
Da der LA keine Cysts mehr auf T1 hat, weiß ich net wie ich Moschas killen soll, an denen wurde ja natürlich nichts generfed 
Ich bin noch total reizüberflutet, aber aus dem Bauch heraus gefallen mir die Nidenänderungen ganz gut.
Mir nicht. Auf den 1. Blick kommt folgendes raus:
Minen changes sind ok
Hormas wurden generfed was uns T1 Vorteil nimmt
Krieger sind immer noch crappy weil die net genug Schaden auf T1 raus haun.
Termaganten bleiben scheiße
Zoans wurden stark gebufft
Niden werden böse Probs mitm LA haben gegen Orks weil die Toxic Cysts fehlen
Sumsarum: Hormaspamm als always und dann Zoanspamm der noch krasser sein wird ... as always ...
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The Last Stand Update 1.8 Release Notes
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New Content
The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand, a new arcade survival mode where teams of three fight waves of increasingly deadly enemies
Added new unique wargear, abilities and effects to the three heroes in The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand leaderboards
Hero progress is stored online and is associated with a player’s gamertag
Multiplayer Maps
Added (2p) Quest’s Heresy map
Added (4p) Hydris Chasm map
Multiplayer Balance Updates
General Balance updates
The cost of the tier 3 upgrade is now 300 requisition, 150 power up from 200/100
XP granted for Hormagaunts, Termagants, Sluggas, and Shootas has been brought in line with other tier 1 units
Flame resistant armor type has been lowered to 25% fire damage mitigation, down from 50%
Generator health has been increased to 600 from 500, a 20% increase
All walkers except the Wraithlord had their speed increased from 4 to 4.5 m/s
All personal teleport abilities now start on cooldown
Walker charge cooldowns reduced from 8 seconds to 5
Snipe damage now does 125% to heavy armor
Melee heroes have had their weapon skill increased to 70 from 60. This will increase their chance to special attack units and reduce their chance of being special attacked. Heroes include: Force Commander, Apothecary, Warboss, Hive Tyrant, Lictor Alpha, Warlock and Farseer.
Tyranid Balance Updates
Hormagaunts have had their HP and damage decreased 10%
The Hormagaunt adrenal gland upgrade now grants +1 speed, down from +1.5
The Hormagaunt adrenal gland upgrade increased in cost to 75/20
The Hormagaunt weapon skill increased to 55
The Hormagaunt cost reduced to 270 requisition
Increased the HP of the Zoanthrope by 25%
Zoanthrope damage type changed to deal 150% damage to heavy armor
Zoanthrope accuracy increased to 100%
Zoanthrope damage decreased to 60 from 80
Zoanthrope shield absorption ratio changed to 0.3 from 0.2.
The cost of the Lictor Alpha’s toxic cysts has increased to 120/25, up from 80/20
The Lictor Elite jump, Toxic Cysts moved to tier 2
Flesh hook cooldown increased from 40 to 70 seconds
Barbed Strangler radius has decreased to 6m from 7m
Termagants’ devourer damage has increased from 7.65 to 8.8
Termagant Toxin Sac upgrade now increases damage by 45%, up from 35% and increases max health by 10%
Spore Mines are now affected by mines and burrow traps like ordinary units
Spore Mines no longer explode when killed by another unit
Spore Mines are now susceptible to melee attacks
Spore Mines health decreased from 150 to 120
Warrior Adrenal gland upgrade reduced from 200/20 to 100/20
Warrior Adrenal glands now increases their HP by 20%
The Ravener Corrosive devourer damage increased from 100 to 135
The Ravener Acid Splatter now affects fire resisting units
The Ravener Crippling Talon debuff effect increased to 35% from 25%
Tyranid synapse death now inflicts 14% damage to regular units and 10% to Carnifexes
Improvements
Optimized sound files to reduce the amount of RAM they consume
Added additional effects to 6p and 2p Calderis Refinery Maps
Enabled pathing prediction for walkers and improved the predicted interaction between tanks and walkers
Users are now able to select Ultra FX fidelity
General AI improvements involving better resource and economy handling
Added a readme.txt file for Traditonal Chinese to the root folder
Bug Fixes
Adrenal glands, aspect of banshee, warrior adrenal glands, crippling poison upgrade and battle equipment stat bonuses should no longer fall off when loading into a hold
Fixed tooltips for: Luv Da Dakka, Proximity Mines, Warriors, Heavy Flamer on FC Terminator, Carnifex Venom Cannon
Fixed a positioning bug in 4p Calderis Refinery where players were only able to place one generator at around a specific listening post
Fixed a bug where melee units would not respond if they were overlapping the melee circle of another melee entity
Fixed a bug preventing melee units from automatically attacking vehicles when in melee combat
Fixed a bug causing ranged units to be unresponsive when being attacked by enemy melee units
Fixed a crash caused by casting an ability after changing squads while the game is paused
Fixed a crash caused by HTTP request being in progress when HttpRequest object is destroyed
Fixed a bug involving units standing unresponsive while in melee
Fixed miscellaneous crashes involving squad combat states
Fixed a bug causing grenades to fall through craters
Fixed an issue where the user’s Champion status might not contribute to their “Hail the Champion” achievement
Fixed bug where units would rarely leap after teleporting units they were engaged in melee with
Players that drop during the loading screen no longer show up in the post-game summary screen
Added sound cue when a player drops from a match
Tyranid Bug Fixes
Fixed a sound effect issue with the Ravener’s burrow ability
Fixed an animation bug involving the Zoanthrope’s warpblast
Fixed a bug involving the unreliability of the Hive Tyrant’s invulnerability
Fixed a bug where the Ravener hero’s burrow ability would break if its energy was too low
Fixed a bug where the Zoanthrope’s warpblast would fire regardless if the unit had line of sight of its target
Fixed missing sound for Screamer-Killer ability under some conditions
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The Last Stand Update 1.8 Release Notes
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New Content
The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand, a new arcade survival mode where teams of three fight waves of increasingly deadly enemies
Added new unique wargear, abilities and effects to the three heroes in The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand leaderboards
Hero progress is stored online and is associated with a player’s gamertag
Multiplayer Maps
Added (2p) Quest’s Heresy map
Added (4p) Hydris Chasm map
Multiplayer Balance Updates
General Balance updates
The cost of the tier 3 upgrade is now 300 requisition, 150 power up from 200/100
XP granted for Hormagaunts, Termagants, Sluggas, and Shootas has been brought in line with other tier 1 units
Flame resistant armor type has been lowered to 25% fire damage mitigation, down from 50%
Generator health has been increased to 600 from 500, a 20% increase
All walkers except the Wraithlord had their speed increased from 4 to 4.5 m/s
All personal teleport abilities now start on cooldown
Walker charge cooldowns reduced from 8 seconds to 5
Snipe damage now does 125% to heavy armor
Melee heroes have had their weapon skill increased to 70 from 60. This will increase their chance to special attack units and reduce their chance of being special attacked. Heroes include: Force Commander, Apothecary, Warboss, Hive Tyrant, Lictor Alpha, Warlock and Farseer.
Ork Balance Updates
The Mekboys’s electric armor now drains 6 energy/s, increased from 4/s
Waaagh Shout cost has increased to 20 from 15
Big stomp works on Spore Mines
The Looted Tank is now affected by the Entangle ability
The Kommando’s Luv Da Dakka ability no longer takes them out of infiltrate when used
Mekboy now has to set up after using the ‘Ave a Taste ability
The Mekboy can no longer teleport while using the Mega Rumblah ability
Moved Stikkbommas to T2, Stkikkbommas now deal suppression damage
Moved Lootas to T1, changed their damage to equal a Space Marine’s Heavy Bolter
Loota health increased to 250 from 200
Increased suppression on Deffgun
Deff Dread rampage no longer has health requirement
Looted tank cost increased to 400/100 from 350/100
Nob Frenzy now renders Nobs immune to most types of knockback.
Stikkbomma stun grenade and stikkbomb range increased to 60 meters
Stikkbomma stun grenade cooldown increased from 30 seconds to 60 seconds
Stikkbomma stun grenades now explode on impact
Stikkbomma stun grenades now no longer require a Bomma kit upgrade
Stikkbomma stun grenades are now thrown in groups of 4
Stikkbomma stun grenade cost changed from 20 Waaagh to 10
Stikkbomma Bomma kit upgrade removed.
Stikkbomma stikkbomb damage type now deals 150% damage vs heavy armor, up from 125%
Stikkbomma squad cost changed to 360/20 from 280/30
Kommando hero shotgun ability changed from pie area-of-effect to circle area-of-effect
Slugga upgrade changed from 50/15 to 85/20, increases HP by 10%
Improvements
Optimized sound files to reduce the amount of RAM they consume
Added additional effects to 6p and 2p Calderis Refinery Maps
Enabled pathing prediction for walkers and improved the predicted interaction between tanks and walkers
Users are now able to select Ultra FX fidelity
General AI improvements involving better resource and economy handling
Added a readme.txt file for Traditonal Chinese to the root folder
Bug Fixes
Adrenal glands, aspect of banshee, warrior adrenal glands, crippling poison upgrade and battle equipment stat bonuses should no longer fall off when loading into a hold
Fixed tooltips for: Luv Da Dakka, Proximity Mines, Warriors, Heavy Flamer on FC Terminator, Carnifex Venom Cannon
Fixed a positioning bug in 4p Calderis Refinery where players were only able to place one generator at around a specific listening post
Fixed a bug where melee units would not respond if they were overlapping the melee circle of another melee entity
Fixed a bug preventing melee units from automatically attacking vehicles when in melee combat
Fixed a bug causing ranged units to be unresponsive when being attacked by enemy melee units
Fixed a crash caused by casting an ability after changing squads while the game is paused
Fixed a crash caused by HTTP request being in progress when HttpRequest object is destroyed
Fixed a bug involving units standing unresponsive while in melee
Fixed miscellaneous crashes involving squad combat states
Fixed a bug causing grenades to fall through craters
Fixed an issue where the user’s Champion status might not contribute to their “Hail the Champion” achievement
Fixed bug where units would rarely leap after teleporting units they were engaged in melee with
Players that drop during the loading screen no longer show up in the post-game summary screen
Added sound cue when a player drops from a match
Ork Bug Fixes
Fixed problems with Ork sync kill markers and non-looping sync death animations
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The Last Stand Update 1.8 Release Notes
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New Content
The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand, a new arcade survival mode where teams of three fight waves of increasingly deadly enemies
Added new unique wargear, abilities and effects to the three heroes in The Last Stand
Added The Last Stand leaderboards
Hero progress is stored online and is associated with a player’s gamertag
Multiplayer Maps
Added (2p) Quest’s Heresy map
Added (4p) Hydris Chasm map
Multiplayer Balance Updates
General Balance updates
The cost of the tier 3 upgrade is now 300 requisition, 150 power up from 200/100
XP granted for Hormagaunts, Termagants, Sluggas, and Shootas has been brought in line with other tier 1 units
Flame resistant armor type has been lowered to 25% fire damage mitigation, down from 50%
Generator health has been increased to 600 from 500, a 20% increase
All walkers except the Wraithlord had their speed increased from 4 to 4.5 m/s
All personal teleport abilities now start on cooldown
Walker charge cooldowns reduced from 8 seconds to 5
Snipe damage now does 125% to heavy armor
Melee heroes have had their weapon skill increased to 70 from 60. This will increase their chance to special attack units and reduce their chance of being special attacked. Heroes include: Force Commander, Apothecary, Warboss, Hive Tyrant, Lictor Alpha, Warlock and Farseer.
Eldar Balance Updates
The Warlock’s immolator blade damage over time is now set to piercing damage
Telegraph on the Warp Spider Exarch’s mass teleport now displays ~3 seconds before arrival
The cast times on the Farseer’s Doom, Fortune, and Guide spells have been removed
Squad plans on rangers removed to correct erratic behavior
The Eldar Avatar’s Khaine’s Wrath ability no longer damages nob squads that have activated the frenzy ability
Ranger kinetic shot radius increased from 4 meters to 5.
Ranger detection range increased from 30m to 40m
Warlock Immolate and D-Cannon singularity no longer harms invulnerable units
Aspect of Banshee health bonus increased from 20% to 30%
Aspect of Banshee cost increased from 75/20 to 100/20
Shuriken Cannon damage increased from 210 to 300
Brightlance crew hp increased to 825 from 660
Warp throw moved to tier 2
Warp throw cost reduced to 100/30
Improvements
Optimized sound files to reduce the amount of RAM they consume
Added additional effects to 6p and 2p Calderis Refinery Maps
Enabled pathing prediction for walkers and improved the predicted interaction between tanks and walkers
Users are now able to select Ultra FX fidelity
General AI improvements involving better resource and economy handling
Added a readme.txt file for Traditonal Chinese to the root folder
Bug Fixes
Adrenal glands, aspect of banshee, warrior adrenal glands, crippling poison upgrade and battle equipment stat bonuses should no longer fall off when loading into a hold
Fixed tooltips for: Luv Da Dakka, Proximity Mines, Warriors, Heavy Flamer on FC Terminator, Carnifex Venom Cannon
Fixed a positioning bug in 4p Calderis Refinery where players were only able to place one generator at around a specific listening post
Fixed a bug where melee units would not respond if they were overlapping the melee circle of another melee entity
Fixed a bug preventing melee units from automatically attacking vehicles when in melee combat
Fixed a bug causing ranged units to be unresponsive when being attacked by enemy melee units
Fixed a crash caused by casting an ability after changing squads while the game is paused
Fixed a crash caused by HTTP request being in progress when HttpRequest object is destroyed
Fixed a bug involving units standing unresponsive while in melee
Fixed miscellaneous crashes involving squad combat states
Fixed a bug causing grenades to fall through craters
Fixed an issue where the user’s Champion status might not contribute to their “Hail the Champion” achievement
Fixed bug where units would rarely leap after teleporting units they were engaged in melee with
Players that drop during the loading screen no longer show up in the post-game summary screen
Added sound cue when a player drops from a match
Eldar Bug Fixes
Fixed a bug where the Banshee warshout ability disappeared if all Banshee units were killed except the squad's Exarch
Removed squad plans on rangers to correct erratic behavior
Fleet of Foot fires simultaneously between Eldar heroes and regular units when both are selected
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