DoW.de balance team at your service! In Cooperation with dow.sanctuary

wuu · November 1, 2005 at 3:51 PM

Ich starte diesen separaten thread um alles zu erfassen was eine verbesserung benötigt.
Konkrete hinweise, kein raptor harass ist imba, oder anderes, als Bsp.
Sondern warum diese taktik zu stark ist mit hinweiss auf die einheiten...
Da sind vorallem unsere experten gefragt.
Kein jammern oder flammen, falls doch wird gelöscht.
Und wenn es geht auch auf Englisch.
Bin etwas zu schroff vorgegangen, ok last uns schritt für schritt analysieren das wird mehr bringen. Die idee die sCa^seth in dow.sanctuary mir sugeriert hat wird mehr bringen.
Eine konstruktive zusammen arbeit in dem wir alles sammeln was auffällt und es dann zusammen fassen, von beiden Communities.

Lasst uns erst mal alles zusammen fassen, bevor wir über änderung reden.

IG,SM,Chaos,Orcs,Eldar.

Der gebaüde schaden der imps.

Bolt pistol der der raptors.

wuu · November 1, 2005 at 4:14 PM

Sie haben auch einen entsprechenden thread auf ihren board.
dow.sanctuary balance team at your service! In Cooperation with dow.de
Wie es aussieht haben auch mitarbeiter von relic das board besucht.

I have an idea. A couple of the Relic team testers have visited our site recently which is great. Seeing as how they have noticed sanctuary as a valuable resource for their product I am hoping that our opinions here might mean something to them.

Heres what I'd like to do. In this thread we will discuss what we feel needs attention in WA. Now we'll go 1 subject at a time and when we have finished with that I'll change my first post to include what we have decided and then we can move onto the next. Im not talking about a quick thing here, lets spend some time and get a good consensus, obviuosly not all of us are going to agree.

Any whining/flaming and those peoples posts will just be deleted and persons involved will take no further part in the discussion. Lets keep it productive.
ANY POSTS GOING OFF TOPIC WILL ALSO BE DELETED, LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO ANY OTHER RANDOM BALANCE THREAD, lets stay on topic and accomplish something here.

Whilst everybody has an opinion I'd like to ask that only people who have a good knowledge in this game comment here. I.E. those that have been with DOW from the beginning and successful automatchers. Experts getting involved will be great too. When we're done Im going to ask some of the pros to "sign" our findings and then I'll submitt it to Relic.

Ok so lets start the bidding with a issue I think we will mostly agree on, the cc ability of guards men, Personally I think they do far to much and need a significant reduction in damage..........discuss.

PRELIMINARY FINDINGS: IG:

(1) Guardsmen CC damage reduced by 50% to buildings. Regular CC damage to remain the same

(2) Remove Commissar healing (potentially looking at giving this ability to priests) Remove Moral immunity. Attached Commissar gives significant increase in moral. When using execute the squad gains moral immunity.

(3) Priests cost increased to same as priests in command squad. Reduce commander + building damage by 30 %. Tier2 priests gain healing ability.

Turrican · November 1, 2005 at 4:38 PM

csm
-raptor ranged damage nerv to 50% or less
-complete obliterator weapon overwork..
-chaos ammunition damage buff

eldar
-entanglement totaly useless.. almost 3 second imobilisation would be good
-vyper : total useless unit. low hp, low damage. buff anti vehicel capacity and health
-haywire : wtf t3 ? melter are same strength and t2. do melter just after aspect portal
-t3 almost useless. 4 upgrades.. no units. not sure how to make that more attractive to tech to..

sm
-hmm maybe seargent after armory could fix the imense early weakness.. but not sure if it would buff them too high.

ork
-nob a little cost increase
-man cost increase

imp
-sentinel more damage to vehicel heavy ?
-ogryn are useless in my opinion
-backfire from the mentalist (dont know the name) procs too often
-worker should be not spell resistant and the armor is too heavy or 50 hp decrease would do it

some other comments :
-2on2 automatch with ressource share.. turn it off
-units turning back at dying .. no logic
-minefields absolute undetectable and i would use them

seth4u · November 1, 2005 at 6:00 PM

IG:
IG Guardian CC damage to buildings cut down from 9 dps to 2.5 to bring it in line with SM anti buildings damage (to be exactly in line it would have to be 2.8 but as IG is not even supposed to be aggressive early on I figure 2.5 is more then enough)

Commisar hero armour bug removed plz

Execute reload time trippled.
ATM you can keep you whole army under the influence of Execute (double fire rate = double damage) for as little as 20 req per 20 secs.
With the huge AoE it has 1 Execute is enough to double the damage of your whole army.
With 3 Commisars you can have Execute permanently.

SM:
Seargents after Armory - all other races get the equivalent alot earlier ..
Chaos after Armory; Eldar from very beginning; Ork after PoG + 30(?) Waagh
Hellfire disruptive abilities reduced, damage increased.
Mass Hellfires make every infantry obsolete ATM :§

Chaos:
Increase Raptor build time by 5 secs to allow other races to cap atleast some points.
Balance Raptor Ranged damage versus heroes and building_high.
Cut damage in half IMHO versus this armour types, I say.

Eldar:
Guardians down to 120 req per squad.
Guardian build time decreased by 3 secs.
Both buffs to make eldar early game stronger and buff eldar economy.
Maybe consider cheaper Generators.

Ork:
MANz can only be reinforced to 2 members until Orky Fort.
Nobz reinforce cost slightly increased.
Trakks bombchukka damage nerfed vs all armour types especially vs buildings and vehicles.
50 dps throughout the board is nowhere near balanced.

Overall balance:
Tier 3 researche time cut in half
Cost slightly decreased.
This would need rebalancing of T3 units ... but I have no clue of T3 balance so dont you ask me :o

wuu · November 1, 2005 at 11:05 PM

So da schon zwei drauf geantwortet haben, hoffe ich auf weitere antworten.
Hier ist eure möglichkeit mal aktiver zu werden und ich hoffe ihr nutzt das auch.
Anstatt nur zu jammern.^^

elbarto · November 1, 2005 at 11:50 PM

Hier gibts einige Probleme mit dem Englisch. Wenn ihr wollt könnte ich dann das Endprodukt überarbeiten.

wuu · November 2, 2005 at 12:06 AM

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Original von elbarto
Hier gibts einige Probleme mit dem Englisch. Wenn ihr wollt könnte ich dann das Endprodukt überarbeiten.

Das wär eine hilfe, mein englisch ist schrecklich.

Malekith · November 2, 2005 at 12:08 AM

Imp:

Worker Pistol Dmg nerved & repair time needs a slighty nerf to.
(rest as above)

SM:

Some early minor AV stuff, dunno what exactly will be best.

Lps costs 90, same as Chaos Lps.

build time for Invilitration must be slightly faster.

E- Sword Upgrade only for Seargs, so i can give it to my ASM Seargents without making my FC crap with it.

elbarto · November 2, 2005 at 12:28 AM

Wenn wir uns auf eine gemeinsame Wunschliste geeinigt haben sollten, dann werde ich mich also um die englische Realisierung kümmern.
Wie sieht es aus, sollte man nicht ein eigenes Brett einrichten, wo die dow.de-Gemeinschaft dann über jeden Balance-Vorschlag via Vote abstimmen kann?
Nur die Mods würden dort die einzelnen Vorschläge eintragen können, damit es nicht zu Wildwuchs und Doppelpostings kommt.
Viel Arbeit, aber ich denke, so kommen wir zu einem wirklich guten Konsens.

wuu · November 2, 2005 at 12:35 AM

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Original von elbarto
Wenn wir uns auf eine gemeinsame Wunschliste geeinigt haben sollten, dann werde ich mich also um die englische Realisierung kümmern.
Wie sieht es aus, sollte man nicht ein eigenes Brett einrichten, wo die dow.de-Gemeinschaft dann über jeden Balance-Vorschlag via Vote abstimmen kann?
Nur die Mods würden dort die einzelnen Vorschläge eintragen können, damit es nicht zu Wildwuchs und Doppelpostings kommt.
Viel Arbeit, aber ich denke, so kommen wir zu einem wirklich guten Konsens.

Das ist eine gute idee. Bin dafür. Aber erst mal alles erfassen.
So muss jetzt schlaffen.^^

f4lx · November 2, 2005 at 1:24 AM

morale is completly useless. must be improved and need a overall check!
the same count for the transporters!

phis · November 2, 2005 at 10:26 AM

IG:
nerf ogryns and put them on t1 to have a better troop variation, its boring to see only one type of troops from t1-t2
nerf all t1 unit building dmg (heros, guards and so on), so that the ig player cant harass and must play defence

SM:
maybe bolter on t1,5 but i dont know if this will make them to strong
landspeeder need more hp
fix sm rockets
melter t1 -> but the upgrade should cost 50|120

Chaos:
Increase Raptor build time by 5 secs to allow other races to cap atleast some points.
Balance Raptor Ranged damage versus heroes and building_high.
Cut damage in half IMHO versus this armour types, I say.

Eldar:
the fast falcon is to strong, so find a way to get them later

Ork:
nobz and manz later, nerf bombchukka dmg to vehicles

overall:

all moral weapons (sniper flamer and so on) should make more moral dmg

elbarto · November 2, 2005 at 10:53 AM

Wenn ihr "reparieren" "korrigieren" oder "ändern" schreibt, dann schreibt bitte auch ganz genau, wie ihr euch das dann im Endeffekt vorstellt und was ihr mit "bug" genau meint.

Und ich denke mal, ihr könnt wieder auf deutsch schreiben.

Calvin · November 2, 2005 at 11:40 AM

there should be an upgrade for morale damaging weapons in T2 / T3 to make them usefull in mid and lategame

ork: Nobz and MANs maybe 1 Waaaghbanner later each, perhaps a little buff to stormboyz then.

Eldar: Falcons should need a tech like PL.

wuu · November 2, 2005 at 4:28 PM

Für eine bessere abstimmung mit dow.sanctuary schliess ich den erst mal.

Participate now!